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Been a Rough Holiday so far...

eladams2015

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So, I have been offline for a couple weeks now. My dad had a massive heart attack the day before Thanksgiving, so I have been away from home since then. He ended up passing away on December 4th. I have been dealing with all the details, and making sure his wife is settled, and will finally get to go back home on Saturday. On the positive side, I have not gained any weight, and managed to find all sorts of healthy options in the hospital cafeteria while we sat for a week in the ICU unit. I have had a harder time after the hospital because my stepmother cooks entirely out of cans (YIKES). I have pushed her to go out to get some healthy food a few times, but I have had to rely a lot more than I'd like on protein bars and such. I will get back on track with eating real food at home, but I am proud that I have not caved to emotional or stress eating during this time. 2019 can generally SUCK IT... this has been one of THE most difficult and challenging, life altering years of my entire life. Next year HAS to be better, right?
 
So, I have been offline for a couple weeks now. My dad had a massive heart attack the day before Thanksgiving, so I have been away from home since then. He ended up passing away on December 4th. I have been dealing with all the details, and making sure his wife is settled, and will finally get to go back home on Saturday. On the positive side, I have not gained any weight, and managed to find all sorts of healthy options in the hospital cafeteria while we sat for a week in the ICU unit. I have had a harder time after the hospital because my stepmother cooks entirely out of cans (YIKES). I have pushed her to go out to get some healthy food a few times, but I have had to rely a lot more than I'd like on protein bars and such. I will get back on track with eating real food at home, but I am proud that I have not caved to emotional or stress eating during this time. 2019 can generally SUCK IT... this has been one of THE most difficult and challenging, life altering years of my entire life. Next year HAS to be better, right?
I'm so sorry for your loss. That's wonderful that you were able to stick to your program and didn't turn to food during such a hard time. You should be really proud of yourself.

I hope you have a great 2020 to look forward to!
 
So, I have been offline for a couple weeks now. My dad had a massive heart attack the day before Thanksgiving, so I have been away from home since then. He ended up passing away on December 4th. I have been dealing with all the details, and making sure his wife is settled, and will finally get to go back home on Saturday. On the positive side, I have not gained any weight, and managed to find all sorts of healthy options in the hospital cafeteria while we sat for a week in the ICU unit. I have had a harder time after the hospital because my stepmother cooks entirely out of cans (YIKES). I have pushed her to go out to get some healthy food a few times, but I have had to rely a lot more than I'd like on protein bars and such. I will get back on track with eating real food at home, but I am proud that I have not caved to emotional or stress eating during this time. 2019 can generally SUCK IT... this has been one of THE most difficult and challenging, life altering years of my entire life. Next year HAS to be better, right?
Sorry for loss but Congratulations on sticking to you!!!
 
So, I have been offline for a couple weeks now. My dad had a massive heart attack the day before Thanksgiving, so I have been away from home since then. He ended up passing away on December 4th. I have been dealing with all the details, and making sure his wife is settled, and will finally get to go back home on Saturday. On the positive side, I have not gained any weight, and managed to find all sorts of healthy options in the hospital cafeteria while we sat for a week in the ICU unit. I have had a harder time after the hospital because my stepmother cooks entirely out of cans (YIKES). I have pushed her to go out to get some healthy food a few times, but I have had to rely a lot more than I'd like on protein bars and such. I will get back on track with eating real food at home, but I am proud that I have not caved to emotional or stress eating during this time. 2019 can generally SUCK IT... this has been one of THE most difficult and challenging, life altering years of my entire life. Next year HAS to be better, right?
First sorry for your loss. It has to be harder to deal with darning the holiday season. But I know your feeling about 2019.
The hospital where I have worked for 48 years closed. I wanted a hamburger and fries everyday darning the closing. But
I over came those cravings it was so hard. I was transferred to different cost center so I’m blessed to still have a job for now.
There has been a couple of weeks since the transfer that craving has come back, but I have come to far on my journey to step back now. This group has been a big part of my success .
 
El, I lost my father, who was my pal, 9 months before I had surgery. It was his death that crystallized all my thinking about the consequences of living life out of control. His father died a few weeks after I was born, of a massive stroke. My dad had his first stroke at 59. After that, it was hospital hospital hospital, bypasses, mysteries, deteriorating heart muscles, diabetes complications, exhaustion, horrible quality of life. He had always been active and was a nationally known landscape gardener & floriculturalist, but he had lots of bad habits, including yo-yo dieting He was never obese, but was often pudgy or even fat. Yet he ran up hillsides like a mountain goat. We worked together for 12 years after he taught me the trade. He was so proud of me being a third-generation gardener, and I had the knack. But my heart was in writing and art, and where I live, winters are from hunger when it comes to work.

My younger brother Tim and my older sister Kathy both emulated Dad's bad habits. They both developed diabetes. Tim also had multiple strokes. Kathy ended up having one amputation after another and her health problems made it impossible for her to carry a pregnancy to term. I was sitting next to her bed when she passed a five-month fetus and barely felt it. All in all, it was a horror story.

Tim was also an alcoholic and drug user. He was the only one of the eight of us who had this problem, though four of us (including me) lived the getting-stoned & drunk life for a few years in the Sixties and Seventies. Tim just never quit. In 2008, after I'd lost so much weight and was 6000 feet in the air on my first mountain hike, he was being airlifted to Harborview Trauma center with a brain bleed. He spent 81 days in that hospital undergoing so many procedures and in one coma after another. But eventually they stabilized him so he could go back home and with his wife's care, he lived until 2017. He died at 56, a year after my mother, who died at 93.

Kathy seemed to want to die, though she'd never admit it because she espoused Christianity. But when I was with her, and her husband had died and her obnoxious children were verbally and emotionally abusing her, she exuded pain and self-loathing. Everything she had went to her kids, every second of her time. And those children, unfortunately, were the worst people on earth. They were poorly raised by her & her late husband, but they kept getting louder and worse. They had no concept of kindness. They didn't even visit her in her repeated hospital stays, as doctors took toes, then feet, then legs up to and above her knees. By that time she was in a coma. She was only five years older than me and she died a year or so ago.

So I had a lot of people in my family (well, I had a lot of family--18 pair of aunts/uncles, 70 first cousins) to look at. I saw in my family history a lot of overindulging of every sort. I knew that could be me, but I was always rebellious, mostly because they said rude, mean things about me & my looks. I was kind of cute & sexy & they were jealous, so they did everything they could to kill my ego. To this day I'm not close to any of them, and after Mom died & we sold the house, I divorced them all. I had resolved to have the surgery after Dad died and part of my motivation was to make all the fat ones feel bad. That backfired because they were so good at being mean. They acted like nothing had happened. Only Kathy congratulated & complimented me, but she never knew I had surgery.

You're not lucky to have lost your dad, but you are lucky he didn't hang on for years in a horrible state of health. That's the only thing you can take comfort in now. Losing my dad was one of the worst days of my life. I had no idea I had a scream buried so deep that when I let it out, it felt like my guts were coming with it. I wept for days. I fainted on stage at his funeral. I barely remember the intervening days. He was my bridge, my buffer, my pal, and when I lost him, all that was left was my own sorry life. I didn't want to do to my son what he did to me--checking out early--so I decided to change my life. That was the cherry on top of the love we had for each other. Had he not died, I probably never would have gone forward with a resolve to change my health and my life expectancy.

I hope a year from now you won't be feeling sorrow about your dad, but grateful for what you have accomplished and learned. Stay true to yourself & live the life you deserve. You are loved.

Here's me with my maternal grandmother. I was 24 and she was 74. She died a year later:

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And my five sisters and one brother at Mom's 90th birthday party in 2013, though she was born in 1922 (2/22/22, in fact). I don't know where my little bro is. He was there, in his wheelchair. You can see clearly why I wanted to change my life. My late sister, Kathy, is in front, on my right:

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The whole fam-damily in the mid-1970s, contrary to the photo caption. I remember the night it was taken. I look goofy as hell and fat, but in fact, I wasn't. Well, at least not fat. Goofy, yes. My little brother Tim is on your far left, sister Kathy is far right. We cruelly talked about how fat Kathy was. If we hadn't been so mean, if we'd given her an ounce of consideration, maybe she wouldn't have actually become obese. She probably doesn't weigh 170 pounds here but we all valued being thin. Vicki, in Hawaiian shirt, weighed about 110. I weighed about 120.

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So El & all, right now, even though so many good things are happening to me, hearing about the grief of others makes me feel alone & sad. When I look back at this family I wonder, Why couldn't we just love each other? We were pitted against one another by my mom so we'd compete for her love. Dad was busy all the time, and often gone on business for many days at a time. And mom was abusive in every sense because she was so unhappy. Who wouldn't be, with 8 raucous kids, an absent (unfaithful) husband, endless laundry that included ironing clothes every day, plus working in a dime store to make ends meet, and she never even began to live up to her potential as an athlete, which she was. She was a champion bowler & golfer on yhe local and state level. But her sadness led to her cruelty. Displaced anger meant constant abuse of some of us and a few others spoiled rotten & treated to stuff while the rest of us watched & went without.

So, life is complicated and there is sure a lot to be sad about. But I hope you have found some joy today. That's going to be my quest. Thank you for your inspiration.
Thank you for sharing all this Diane, I'm sure it's difficult to talk about. I'm sorry you aren't close with your siblings. I'd be lost without my sister and nieces.

You look beautiful & happy in that pic with grandma. :) And that last pic is great, completely embodies the 70s!
 
First sorry for your loss. It has to be harder to deal with darning the holiday season. But I know your feeling about 2019.
The hospital where I have worked for 48 years closed. I wanted a hamburger and fries everyday darning the closing. But
I over came those cravings it was so hard. I was transferred to different cost center so I’m blessed to still have a job for now.
There has been a couple of weeks since the transfer that craving has come back, but I have come to far on my journey to step back now. This group has been a big part of my success .
I meant to ask about the status of your job. I'm glad that you are still able to work. And I'm proud of you for sticking with your program despite this loss! Great job Nicelady!
 
yeah, i feel robbed, family-wise. the thing is, my family was so dysfunctional because my mom was filled with rage all the time. I was the 5th of 8 children, the oldest of the second four, The Little Kids v. The Big Kids, as we were known. We were members of a Calvinist church and first-generation Dutch Americans. there was a wide swing from abusive to loving discipline in my Dutch culture.

But we were all very intelligent, especially my dad's side. the first three of his family of 10 kids were born in Holland, he being the third one who came over on a boat at the age of 3 months. All the others were born in Canada & emigrated to Washington State eventually. But they suffered bitter cold and poverty in Saskatchewan, where they settled for most of the pre-America years and as a result, most of his sibs were seekers of joy and culture and education. It was a thrill to be around them. My mom's family was an amalgam of my Dutch (and someone jumped the fence during the battles fought by settlers in the southern midwest, adding Mexican blood to her family, which is why she's so dark & has black hair) mixed great-grandparents from Iowa and my very English/Irish and German grandfather who was named Charles Everett Armstrong. Could you get more Anglo than that? My dad's side used verbal instruction as discipline. My mom's side used harsh, illegal, sometimes bloody physical punishment.

So in my mix of siblings, the treatment was so dynamic and severe and shocking, it was hard to know what to do about it. We were helpless to fight back physically, so everything turned inward. Then there was this thing Mom did that was worse than anything: rejection. If you fought or stuck up for yourself and her physical abuse didn't work to make you obedient, she just stopped talking to you. She left you out of everything. She acted like you didn't exist. I was one of those rejects. I wasn't opportunistic enough or culpable enough to pretend it wasn't happening and act nice to my mom. My other siblings couldn't stand the rejection. So they all pretended Mom was great and never hurt them. We all witnessed each other being abused and we all grew up with some degree of PTSD as a result, plus the many other symptoms of child abuse. and there was sexual abuse outside the family, and later, date rape.

I had a few people outside the family who loved me as a child. They were helpless to stop what was happening, so they just sheltered me, gave me presents, told me I was a good little girl. If not for them, I don't know what I would have done. And in school, I had a lot of teachers who praised my intelligence and talents and I was even advanced to the elite group of students who were given special projects to challenge them. But I couldn't be with them because they were conceited and snobby, so I went back to the B group, where I was happier.

Anyway, as we all grew up & married & had children, we all had to decide how we'd raise them. Some siblings abused their children. Most of them, in fact, except me. In fact you either adopted the lifestyle my mom had been attached to, or you became like Dad & his family. I went for the Dad side and was favored by my aunts & uncles. That made my siblings jealous and whatever skills I had or talents, they hated me for and did not hesitate to let me know it.

For years I tried to find some common ground. But it was like I was a little goldfish living among piranhas. They would have been happy, seriously, if I had succeeded in killing myself, which was a theme in my life from the first time I tried when I was 17. I am astonished by the level of hate they have risen to. It colors every aspect of their lives, from community to politics to spirituality. They essay to be exactly alike, shopping at Costco, eating the same foods, listening to the same music, watching the same reality tv shows. I do none of this. I went to art school in Los Angeles and eventually left the hick town where we lived to return to my birthplace in the Seattle area. I constantly am seeking more knowledge and experience. They all love the status quo & desire to be as much like the people they see on tv as possible.

So I would love to have sibling connections, but you wouldn't believe how hard they have tried to cast me out for being different. And I'm afraid my upbringing has caused me social defects, as well. I am unable to maintain friendships, though when they begin, everything is fascinating. Then they stop returning my calls. And I haven't had a boyfriend for 10 years, or a husband for 25.

I don't know how people can thrive on hate, but my siblings do, and it doesn't seem to damage them socially, though there does seem to be an inordinate amount of acting out by their children against them. They suffer mightily. I can't claim family bliss right now but it's not from the way I raised my child. He is mentally ill and what happened recently was a psychotic break. Until he gets help, there's nothing I can do. But before this happened, he proudly presented me to all his friends because he loved me so much, and we did many things together and always loved each other.

This problem with him is 100 times worse than anything my siblings could ever have done. And in case you're wondering, I have sought mental health intervention for myself because I have been in a very bad, self-destructive place in the last two months. I know suicide is final and that it is often the case that what feels impossible one day, is fine the next. So I wait it out and stick around, even though I feel like I'm in hell.

Well, so, there's my therapy session for today! I'm well rid of my siblings and believe me, you wouldn't even like me if I behaved like any of them. They are bad, mean people. Time heals all wounds, and wounds all heels. Being here with you all, listening to what you say, feeling connected to you, I am inspired to tough it out, no matter how bad it feels. Somewhere along the line, the pearl will be handed to me (Jack Kerouac said that). The earth may not last many more decades and I'm more concerned with sustaining life than ending it.

You are all my surrogate siblings, whether you know it or not. That's why I'm here.
Aww Diane... I really hope your son gets help and can turn his illness around. I'm so sorry that you're grieving the loss of him right now. I'm so glad that we can be here to listen. Vent anytime you need and you know we're here for a virtual hug. :)
 
So, I have been offline for a couple weeks now. My dad had a massive heart attack the day before Thanksgiving, so I have been away from home since then. He ended up passing away on December 4th. I have been dealing with all the details, and making sure his wife is settled, and will finally get to go back home on Saturday. On the positive side, I have not gained any weight, and managed to find all sorts of healthy options in the hospital cafeteria while we sat for a week in the ICU unit. I have had a harder time after the hospital because my stepmother cooks entirely out of cans (YIKES). I have pushed her to go out to get some healthy food a few times, but I have had to rely a lot more than I'd like on protein bars and such. I will get back on track with eating real food at home, but I am proud that I have not caved to emotional or stress eating during this time. 2019 can generally SUCK IT... this has been one of THE most difficult and challenging, life altering years of my entire life. Next year HAS to be better, right?
Hi El. I'm so sorry for your loss. I lost my dad two years ago around Thanksgiving. It is actually what started me down the path we are all currently on. Having a death in the family is one of the things that always sent me into a tailspin with my diets. I am extremely proud of you for sticking to the new healthier eating you, in any way you could. Your dedication to improving your health is inspiring. I wish you nothing but the best as we go into the Roaring 20's in two weeks time. It can only get better from here.
 
El, I lost my father, who was my pal, 9 months before I had surgery. It was his death that crystallized all my thinking about the consequences of living life out of control. His father died a few weeks after I was born, of a massive stroke. My dad had his first stroke at 59. After that, it was hospital hospital hospital, bypasses, mysteries, deteriorating heart muscles, diabetes complications, exhaustion, horrible quality of life. He had always been active and was a nationally known landscape gardener & floriculturalist, but he had lots of bad habits, including yo-yo dieting He was never obese, but was often pudgy or even fat. Yet he ran up hillsides like a mountain goat. We worked together for 12 years after he taught me the trade. He was so proud of me being a third-generation gardener, and I had the knack. But my heart was in writing and art, and where I live, winters are from hunger when it comes to work.

My younger brother Tim and my older sister Kathy both emulated Dad's bad habits. They both developed diabetes. Tim also had multiple strokes. Kathy ended up having one amputation after another and her health problems made it impossible for her to carry a pregnancy to term. I was sitting next to her bed when she passed a five-month fetus and barely felt it. All in all, it was a horror story.

Tim was also an alcoholic and drug user. He was the only one of the eight of us who had this problem, though four of us (including me) lived the getting-stoned & drunk life for a few years in the Sixties and Seventies. Tim just never quit. In 2008, after I'd lost so much weight and was 6000 feet in the air on my first mountain hike, he was being airlifted to Harborview Trauma center with a brain bleed. He spent 81 days in that hospital undergoing so many procedures and in one coma after another. But eventually they stabilized him so he could go back home and with his wife's care, he lived until 2017. He died at 56, a year after my mother, who died at 93.

Kathy seemed to want to die, though she'd never admit it because she espoused Christianity. But when I was with her, and her husband had died and her obnoxious children were verbally and emotionally abusing her, she exuded pain and self-loathing. Everything she had went to her kids, every second of her time. And those children, unfortunately, were the worst people on earth. They were poorly raised by her & her late husband, but they kept getting louder and worse. They had no concept of kindness. They didn't even visit her in her repeated hospital stays, as doctors took toes, then feet, then legs up to and above her knees. By that time she was in a coma. She was only five years older than me and she died a year or so ago.

So I had a lot of people in my family (well, I had a lot of family--18 pair of aunts/uncles, 70 first cousins) to look at. I saw in my family history a lot of overindulging of every sort. I knew that could be me, but I was always rebellious, mostly because they said rude, mean things about me & my looks. I was kind of cute & sexy & they were jealous, so they did everything they could to kill my ego. To this day I'm not close to any of them, and after Mom died & we sold the house, I divorced them all. I had resolved to have the surgery after Dad died and part of my motivation was to make all the fat ones feel bad. That backfired because they were so good at being mean. They acted like nothing had happened. Only Kathy congratulated & complimented me, but she never knew I had surgery.

You're not lucky to have lost your dad, but you are lucky he didn't hang on for years in a horrible state of health. That's the only thing you can take comfort in now. Losing my dad was one of the worst days of my life. I had no idea I had a scream buried so deep that when I let it out, it felt like my guts were coming with it. I wept for days. I fainted on stage at his funeral. I barely remember the intervening days. He was my bridge, my buffer, my pal, and when I lost him, all that was left was my own sorry life. I didn't want to do to my son what he did to me--checking out early--so I decided to change my life. That was the cherry on top of the love we had for each other. Had he not died, I probably never would have gone forward with a resolve to change my health and my life expectancy.

I hope a year from now you won't be feeling sorrow about your dad, but grateful for what you have accomplished and learned. Stay true to yourself & live the life you deserve. You are loved.

Here's me with my maternal grandmother. I was 24 and she was 74. She died a year later:

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And my five sisters and one brother at Mom's 90th birthday party in 2013, though she was born in 1922 (2/22/22, in fact). I don't know where my little bro is. He was there, in his wheelchair. You can see clearly why I wanted to change my life. My late sister, Kathy, is in front, on my right:

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The whole fam-damily in the mid-1970s, contrary to the photo caption. I remember the night it was taken. I look goofy as hell and fat, but in fact, I wasn't. Well, at least not fat. Goofy, yes. My little brother Tim is on your far left, sister Kathy is far right. We cruelly talked about how fat Kathy was. If we hadn't been so mean, if we'd given her an ounce of consideration, maybe she wouldn't have actually become obese. She probably doesn't weigh 170 pounds here but we all valued being thin. Vicki, in Hawaiian shirt, weighed about 110. I weighed about 120.

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So El & all, right now, even though so many good things are happening to me, hearing about the grief of others makes me feel alone & sad. When I look back at this family I wonder, Why couldn't we just love each other? We were pitted against one another by my mom so we'd compete for her love. Dad was busy all the time, and often gone on business for many days at a time. And mom was abusive in every sense because she was so unhappy. Who wouldn't be, with 8 raucous kids, an absent (unfaithful) husband, endless laundry that included ironing clothes every day, plus working in a dime store to make ends meet, and she never even began to live up to her potential as an athlete, which she was. She was a champion bowler & golfer on yhe local and state level. But her sadness led to her cruelty. Displaced anger meant constant abuse of some of us and a few others spoiled rotten & treated to stuff while the rest of us watched & went without.

So, life is complicated and there is sure a lot to be sad about. But I hope you have found some joy today. That's going to be my quest. Thank you for your inspiration.
Wow! Thank you so much for sharing! You have definitely been through so much in your life. It is wonderful to see the path you have chosen and your quest to take after your father. They are hard choices, especially when everyone else is telling you that you are wrong, but you made the right choice for you and have grown from it. I am right there with Brenda about being lost without my siblings. My upbringing was definitely different than yours. We have had so much loss in our lifetime that the closeness we have has been a comfort. While I am very sad your siblings aren't there for you in the same way, I am thrilled that you have become who you are in spite of them. I couldn't imagine a more caring, kind-hearted, supportive person than you. You just keep on inspiring me.
 
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