Pink49
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I am glad to hear that you found something that works for you. I mixed fairlife vanilla and Isopure cookies and cream Soooo delicious
Newly Sleeved day 5
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Pink49
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Ok, so FIRST OF ALL!!!!!!!
I never said this was absolute in fact I mentioned in my comments that I ran it by my nurse and she didn't confirm that it was true...AND I also said that I am going to run this information by my doctor.
So I DO NOT APPRECIATE you ACCUSING me of spreading rumors as if I stated the information were facts. I am new to this world 10 days in and I am learning. You can make comments to people without ACCUSING them or making statements in a negative light.
The purpose of this site is for support and positivity.
Remember the old statement that will always hold true. "ITS NOT WHAT YOU SAY ITS HOW YOU SAY IT." your delivery is everything!
3momchaos
Member
Actually, depending on the surgery, it does restrict nutritional value which is why appropriate protein intake and vitamins are so important after surgery. Malabsorption is a serious issue post op because our bodies cannot pick and choose what it holds on to.
Most importantly, each member here knows that we are all here as a support system, not as people handing out medical advice. Our personal experiences with our own bariatric teams differs, as we all know, so following the guidelines given to each of us no matter what each other thinks or has been told by their team, should matter. If double the protein is working for Pink49 in these first few super difficult weeks post then I say do it. We can’t all do things the same way. We might be on the same journey, but our paths are different. Bariatric surgery and long-term nutritional issues
Kathi_S
Member
I feel like this is my fault. I shared what my nutritionist told me with both Pink49 & Karen when I noticed they had posted they were adding protein powder to a protein shake. Before I shared this information, I did a quick Google search to verify the information was correct. It seemed to be, so I felt comfortable sharing it.
To be clear, the 30 g protein absorption in one sitting is for anyone not specifically bariatric patients. When I searched for information regarding bariatric patients what I got was basically that it is unknown how much this number is effected.
This is why you can't buy protein shakes with more than 30 g of protein. With all the bariatric patients out there, don't you think there would be a huge market for them if they worked? They can't sell them, because they are empty calories. Your bariatric teams would be telling you to mix the powder and shakes, but they are not.
I planned on posting this information on the forum tonight, but while I was spending the day at the salon, things kind of happened on their own. I wasn't spreading rumors, I was sharing information, information that I verified first. It doesn't matter what kind of surgery you have, your body was never able to absorb more than 30 g of protein in one sitting.
I did not mean to start a conflict, I just wanted to share information. I did not want people to consume extra calories in an effort to get in more protein that in the end would not get absorbed.
To be clear, the 30 g protein absorption in one sitting is for anyone not specifically bariatric patients. When I searched for information regarding bariatric patients what I got was basically that it is unknown how much this number is effected.
This is why you can't buy protein shakes with more than 30 g of protein. With all the bariatric patients out there, don't you think there would be a huge market for them if they worked? They can't sell them, because they are empty calories. Your bariatric teams would be telling you to mix the powder and shakes, but they are not.
I planned on posting this information on the forum tonight, but while I was spending the day at the salon, things kind of happened on their own. I wasn't spreading rumors, I was sharing information, information that I verified first. It doesn't matter what kind of surgery you have, your body was never able to absorb more than 30 g of protein in one sitting.
I did not mean to start a conflict, I just wanted to share information. I did not want people to consume extra calories in an effort to get in more protein that in the end would not get absorbed.
3momchaos
Member
I believe, and this is my perspective, it’s more about the delivery of responses and feedback. Kathi your response was what you’d learned from your team, and you were sharing that. You didn’t tell anyone it was wrong or not to do it.
Pink49
Member
Hello Kathi,
I am truly grateful for your information. You provided it with the best intentions and looking out for me, and I took it as such. I actually made a note of it in my weight loss journal and had planned to consult with my doctor about it. Which in my opinion anyone should do with any information because whether anything is fact or not it may or may not work for us as individuals. Each person is different. So don't blame yourself for anything. The purpose of me joining this group was to learn, absorb information and help others. That is what was happening until negativity interjected. You are an asset to this community and forum.
I appreciate you and thank you!
I am truly grateful for your information. You provided it with the best intentions and looking out for me, and I took it as such. I actually made a note of it in my weight loss journal and had planned to consult with my doctor about it. Which in my opinion anyone should do with any information because whether anything is fact or not it may or may not work for us as individuals. Each person is different. So don't blame yourself for anything. The purpose of me joining this group was to learn, absorb information and help others. That is what was happening until negativity interjected. You are an asset to this community and forum.
I appreciate you and thank you!
WazzuCoug
Member
Protein is definitely important, but the maximum amount one can consume in a single sitting is hotly debated in some scientific circles. For someone working out frequently and trying to make serious muscle gains, some studies have shown them able to process up to .55g per kg, per meal, up to 4 times a day or 2.2g/kg per day. For me, at 200 lbs would be 45g four times a day, but not everyone can process that much, nor is it necessary. The World Health Organization's recommendation is .83g/kg per day, which ends up being about 25g spread across 3 meals, which they estimate would meet 97% of the world's population's protein needs.
During the healing after surgery, protein helps repair and build tissue. During rapid weight loss, along with some movement, it helps to maintain muscle mass, but you can't eat enough protein during this process to eliminate some muscle loss. Once you reach your nadir, your protein needs really depend on your goals. If you are building muscle, protein needs go up, but to maintain it, you don't need as much.
Being almost 100% vegetarian, I get right around that minimum number. My muscle mass is still above normal. Some of that is genetic, but I haven't needed to eat large amounts of it at all to maintain my muscle.
Finding a source you trust is important. I personally don't think most doctors are actually the best source of nutritional information or even dieticians in many cases. They tend to follow the the "medical industry" suggests, which is not always based on what modern research has discovered. They are often way behind, and most doctors have very little nutritional training unless they've taken a very special and concentrated interest in it.
That being said, short of finding research you trust, you should follow the advice of the people on your bariatric team. Obviously, their advice will be a safe way to go since they have provided that advice to thousands of people. It's a risk to branch out on your own, so the best advice is to stick with what your bariatric team suggests. Of course, we have free will, so experimenting is always an option, but we have to live with the results, for better or worse.
During the healing after surgery, protein helps repair and build tissue. During rapid weight loss, along with some movement, it helps to maintain muscle mass, but you can't eat enough protein during this process to eliminate some muscle loss. Once you reach your nadir, your protein needs really depend on your goals. If you are building muscle, protein needs go up, but to maintain it, you don't need as much.
Being almost 100% vegetarian, I get right around that minimum number. My muscle mass is still above normal. Some of that is genetic, but I haven't needed to eat large amounts of it at all to maintain my muscle.
Finding a source you trust is important. I personally don't think most doctors are actually the best source of nutritional information or even dieticians in many cases. They tend to follow the the "medical industry" suggests, which is not always based on what modern research has discovered. They are often way behind, and most doctors have very little nutritional training unless they've taken a very special and concentrated interest in it.
That being said, short of finding research you trust, you should follow the advice of the people on your bariatric team. Obviously, their advice will be a safe way to go since they have provided that advice to thousands of people. It's a risk to branch out on your own, so the best advice is to stick with what your bariatric team suggests. Of course, we have free will, so experimenting is always an option, but we have to live with the results, for better or worse.
JudyNY
Member
You're fine Kathi, please don't let it worry you. I think we all have to remember that we need to check things out on our own. We are not doctors and are only sharing information what we have tried. In the end it is up to the individual to check with their doctor and/or do their own research.
For what it's worth, reading the above mentioned articles and posts seems to confirm spreading out protein amounts via powder & shakes throughout the day. If I get most of my protein through my diet, i.e. meats, cheese, beans, nuts, seeds, etc., it makes sense to eat a combination early in the day to get most of my 60-80g protein in. Because I'm getting it in through supplements, it couldn't hurt to spread that type of protein as a couple snacks in the morning & afternoon. I also spread out my calcium supplements throughout the day because they cannot be absorbed all at once. IDK if I'm on the right track or not, but hey, it probably couldn't hurt. I will try checking with my nutritionists this week to get their opinion.
I love y'all and want to continue getting lots of ideas and viewpoints here.
I love y'all and want to continue getting lots of ideas and viewpoints here.