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Hiding Out

SunnyD

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Hi everyone,
I’m almost 9 months post-op and the best part about Covid-19 has been that no one has seen me much since March. I told my family about my surgery, who live far away, but no one else. I’ve lost weight before several times and always gained it back, so I’ve kept this mostly to myself because I know how this kinda goes — socially — and it always makes me uncomfortable. So I’ve been hiding out. I was furloughed until late last month. And the people I work with are amazing and know better than to comment too much on a coworker’s body (at least to me), so when I walked through the door in a much smaller body with my mask on — only one person said something and it was more to make sure I was ok — which I appreciated.

But I went for my daily walk an hour later than usual yesterday and the neighbors were out. And the attention was — stifling. I’ve learned some adaptation, but it still puts a lot of ugly in my head.

Comments like, “You’re like a whole new person!” Or “Do you even know who you are when you look at pictures of yourself any more?” frame this false narrative that I have fundamentally changed because my body size has decreased.

I’m still me. Everything about me outside of my eating habits and my lipid panel are pretty much the same. I was an active obese person Pre-surgery.

Anyway, the weirdest part is that it always feels like the world at large values me more because I’m 30% smaller. And I don’t feel that way about anyone.

When someone says “you look great!” I answer “You do too!”

When someone questions who I am (literally someone didn’t believe I was me standing at the end of my driveway, and another privately asked my husband if he got remarried) I claim my weight loss. I never give numbers — I just say “a lot,” if they ask for specifics.

People have started asking if I plan to lose more. Or if I’m losing too much. (Like this is really something I can turn on and off?). I see a therapist every other week, but she’s never been obese. And I’m socially awkward about attention as it is. So this just increases the social anxiety.

I’m just feeling shaky because the big fear is that I will have done this big, important life change and will somehow still manage to mess up and fall off the wagon and gain it all back — and watch my pre-existing conditions all return and eat away at me again — in full force. I’m trying to avoid living in the physical pain of obesity as I age. I don’t give a crap what pant size I am. And that seems to make me different in my usual support group, where folks who haven’t yo-yo-ed or have not been obese their whole lives vocally celebrate thinness.

Thinness appreciation isn’t at all in my wheelhouse, but that’s a different thread.

Thanks.
 
I love your openness about this. I haven’t had my surgery yet, but I saw a friend for the first time in months, and she commented on how I looked like I lost weight. I hadn’t told her about my WLS yet, so I just matter of factly replied with, I’m getting ready for bariatric surgery. Then she started talking about all the people she knows who have had it, and how great their doing.
A few weeks ago I ran into another friend and I didn’t recognize her with her mask on, and she stopped me in the store parking lot. I told her how fantastic she was looking, but that she always looked fabulous. She’d lost 30 pound over the past few months bc her diabetes and COPD were starting to get bad. I find it so awkward and difficult to praise a person on their health/weight loss without sounding condescending. I’d say the same thing if someone were too thin and gained weight though.
I think it’s nice to acknowledge someone for their hard work when making a healthy change, but at the same time I don’t want to offend them or make them feel judged because I feel weird when a comment is made to me or I am complimented. At this point, the only way it’s going to bother me is if someone says I took the easy way out through bariatric surgery. I don’t care that people know I had WLS, but I will get downright angry at them for judging a healthy life choice. I haven’t run into that yet, but I’m sure I’ll post one heck of a story if I do LOL
 
I have had a couple of my friends try to talk me out of this surgery. (they are heavy, of course). I think that misery loves company and they don't want me to loose weight and they stay heavy. I really shouldn't consider them my friends, should I. We have to stay strong for our health and new life ahead of us. Just saying.
 
I have had a couple of my friends try to talk me out of this surgery. (they are heavy, of course). I think that misery loves company and they don't want me to loose weight and they stay heavy. I really shouldn't consider them my friends, should I. We have to stay strong for our health and new life ahead of us. Just saying.
My godmother is obese and she’s not super thrilled about my having surgery. She won’t flat out say anything, but whenever I bring it up she changes the subject or doesn’t answer my texts. She used to be an OR nurse and preformed the procedure when it was really new, so she worries about the complications that happened back when she was assisting with them. But things are much more advanced and safer than they were 20+ years ago. However, she LOVES to celebrate with food-it’s pretty much the only way she celebrates. So I know that’s part of her reluctance to be happy/supportive for me.
 
I have had a couple of my friends try to talk me out of this surgery. (they are heavy, of course). I think that misery loves company and they don't want me to loose weight and they stay heavy. I really shouldn't consider them my friends, should I. We have to stay strong for our health and new life ahead of us. Just saying.
Thanks for sharing. I’m sorry about your friends. The last time I lost a lot of weight I lost several friends because it was like they couldn’t stand to look at me — and I knew it was more about their issues — but it still hurt because I thought they were different people than they were.

Back then the person who struggled with it the most was my mother. My weight loss seemed to weigh heavy on her and ALL of her thoughts about her size would come out unfiltered. She passed away a few years ago. My father also seems to lose his filter about weight — but his judgments are often focused on people other than himself.

I can understand and forgive being human, but at the same time it’s very isolating. Because even the folks who didn’t know you at the larger size will say hurtful things about other large people around you — because they assume you’ve always been your small size. Like it’s ok to be an anti-fat bully in front of other thin people. It’s super creepy, because I’ve been fat forever and I am not sure that I won’t always self-identify as being XXL in my head. ❤️
 
Because even the folks who didn’t know you at the larger size will say hurtful things about other large people around you — because they assume you’ve always been your small size. Like it’s ok to be an anti-fat bully in front of other thin people. It’s super creepy, because I’ve been fat forever and I am not sure that I won’t always self-identify as being XXL in my head. ❤
I’m worried about self concept after surgery. I’m afraid I’ll always second guess my ability to sit in a chair without breaking it or getting on a rollercoaster. The mentality of obesity is just as hard, or harder, to over come than the physicality.
My friends and family are very supportive of the journey I’m on, so I am fortune to have a strong support system. I’ve told absolute strangers that I’m having WLS, and they asked questions, told me about people they knew who had surgery, but were ultimately very respectful. I think it’s interesting how strangers can be more accepting than people in our lives.
 
Thanks for sharing that. I'm only 5 weeks post-op. I've been working from home since mid-March, so almost no one I know has seen me in person. Today, I actually had to go to my office to pick up some things I needed for a project I'm working on. I work for a 911 Emergency Center, and my office is located on the operations floor, so there is no seeking in there (that and everything is on video anyway). I wasn't sure if anyone would say anything or what they might say, or maybe they wouldn't notice I've lost 45 lbs since they saw me.

People notices. I got a few "you look great" to which I replied, "Thanks, I feel great!" and I'd follow up with "How have you been?" I'd get them talking about their own life instead of mine. Only one person actually followed up with "You are looking great, did you lose weight?" and I said, "I'm feeling great, I had weight loss surgery about a month ago and have lost some weight since then." and then of course, I followed right up with, "How have you been?"

Of course, at some point, I'll get someone asking more questions, or perhaps even someone who tries to make me feel bad about the surgery by saying something passive-aggressive about it. I've decided to just tell people I'm feeling great and answer their questions. If they tell me about something bad they heard about the surgery, I'll tell them something good about the surgery, specifically about my experience of reversing my diabetes, getting off my blood pressure meds, getting rid of my CPAP (hopefully, someday), and whatever other non-scale and medical victories I've had. I think a lot of people thing the surgery is about the weight and "looking good." We all know that while many of us do want to look healthier, that isn't the only and it usually isn't the most important reason. If someone wants to say something to make me feel bad about the surgery, I'll still tell them about the good things and then probably won't be inviting them over for dinner and game night. :)

I bet a lot of us here and relate to not taking compliments very well. I sure don't take them well, but it's also something that we will have to get used to for at least a while when we run across people who haven't seen us for a while. I'll probably continue my strategy of moving the conversation away from me and back to them, and if it come back around to my weight loss, I'll just share my non-scale victories besides being grateful for the weight loss.
 
I used to work at a location where a lot of us 30-somethings were in a social circle of happy hours and wedding showers etc. At some point the club split up and we all went on to live our lives. Well my life involved stopping smoking, peri-menopause, job loss etc and with it my weight went up. Mind you it didn't go up over night but after about 10 years I saw one of the girls from the social circle; and while I smiled when I recognized her I noticed saw her reaction--she literally dropped her jaw because I had gotten so heavy. I was prepared to stop and chat "how've you been? how are the kids?" but instead I just smiled and kept walking. This woman was not important to me at all, but wow did that sting. Again years have passed and I'm about to change drastically again. With covid I've not seen my coworkers, and expect I'll get a similar reaction. I have no idea how to handle it. I tend to be direct and open, but if I get any sass, I'm afraid I'll get passive aggressive. Typically I'll just answer a question with a question to change the focus, but I'll basically be losing weight right in front of the coworkers. I guess I'll just be truthful, focus on the health aspects, and keep stepping...

Also, I must confess, I was one of those who cautioned a friend gently against surgery because of all the stories I had heard--stories that were from surgeries a decade ago. She was very nice about it because she knew it came from a place of kindness not judgement. She has since become a coach and source of knowledge for me on the process.

Thank you all for "listening"
 
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Hi Sunny. Welcome to the group and congratulations on your successes. I had mixed feelings about what people might say and I have a huge family, possibly the same size as your entire workplace with 70 first cousins and 18 pairs of aunts and uncles. And then there's about a thousand husbands and wives and grandchildren and great-grandchildren and second cousins and all that.

I didn't tell them what I had done surgically; only that I had gone on a high protein diet and that I was in a University study. Both those things were true. But I still felt a little sheepish about the fact that I was lying.

I don't know if it was the guilt or if the novelty just wore off or if it was the family shame that drove me eventually to ask them to please stop talking about my weight. See, I am Dutch, and Dutch people are all about eating, especially pastry. There is never a Dutch house that doesn't have cookies cakes oliebollen (oily balls, wads of fried dough) breads and canned fruit and pickles everywhere. And there is always good strong coffee and heavily steeped black tea. This is always there on Sunday when the minister comes by. But it lasts throughout the week as well.

So every time someone gave me a compliment, they would always compare themselves to me and how bad they looked and how they wish they could do what I had done, and how they wish they could lose weight. One cousin even showed me her breasts because she has a condition where her pectoral muscle had broken down, and she could tell that I didn't have that problem. I really didn't want to see her breasts but she was determined to be more pathetic than she already felt so she showed them to me.


It's great that you are able to articulate this and that you know this about yourself. But in a way it's also a judgment in exchange for a judgment. Maybe they don't feel that way but you are assuming that they do. In my experience, it is rare that a person can have the attitude you do. Most people are just very anxious to be critical or "helpful" which is my favorite way of saying "critical."


I wish I had met you 13 years ago. I would have loved to have this classy comeback. That is the best clapback I've ever heard here. I mean, you have completely stopped the dialogue and shifted it back onto the original speaker. You are wicked smart.


So are you sharing these feelings with your therapist? This is the perfect fodder for therapy after weight loss surgery. You are feeling self-conscious and insecure simultaneously. A good therapist doesn't have to be fat in order to understand obesity. I have a feeling you are a person who never asks for help and who always wants to do it herself and figure it out herself. That is actually a pathology. You keep your soft center from being hurt by putting on a capable coat of armor. You might benefit by once in awhile letting someone help you.

In any case, I am a huge mass of neuroses and syndromes and illnesses and resentment and fear and self-loathing and depression and negativity. I am constantly imagining that somebody is thinking something bad about me. That condition is my life. That is PTSD

However I also take weapons into my hands and my mind and my eyes and my stomach and I use these weapons against the evil messages and imagined or unimagined worthlessness in order to win victories. And then I celebrate them.

RYGB surgery did much more than allow me to lose the weight I never ever could have lost before. It allowed me to reach out to other people who I knew were suffering the same disease I was suffering and have true empathy for them. I think many of your co-workers and casual encounters are probably with people like me. People who are trying to show you empathy without insulting you.

One of my sisters told me the thing she hated the most in the world was when she would meet up with somebody and they would ask her if she had lost weight. She took that very badly. She took that to mean she must have needed to lose weight and that's why they're commenting on it now, even though they never commented on the fact that she needed to lose weight before she actually did lose weight.

Boy, she went a long way in order to feel bad about something so trivial.

I hope you take this in the collegial spirit in which it is intended. When I was reading your words, I kept thinking about that expression about having the ability to snatch an insult out of the jaws of a compliment. Please don't think that I'm one of the people who would do something horrible to you or make you feel bad or less than or smaller. I am one of the people who has learned not to let anyone else take my inventory.

And yet I am very nervous to say any of this stuff to you. I want you to feel accepted here and I want to be one of your biggest supporters. I don't know if you really just wanted to vent, or if you were actually asking for help and advice. I hope I didn't overstep. I am so glad you are here and that you have shared your unique point of view with us. I hope our group experience will be long and fruitful.
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Thank you for taking the time and energy to write back. I totally didn't take your comments as insulting at all. (And you rocked that URL skill for quoting!) Weight is a hard topic for a lot of people. I think as an obese person I got used to the idea that the bigger I got the more invisible I became to the world at large. So that when my body is small it is met with a vast amount of social approval and attention, it doesn't take much to make the mental step to see the comparison. But you are right that it is an assumption based on my experiences both as a person living in an obese body and one who rarely lives in a thinner one. I guess one of the differences is that I never hated my obese body. I never devalued myself because I was fat. The truth is, I have yet to see if this tool will be able to curb the issues long-term. Come back to me in 10 years, and we'll see. :) All I know is that while I'm following all the guidelines set forth by my clinic to be successful, I'm uninterested in diving into the Beauty Myth-- but that seems to be what most people want to suddenly define me by when we interact. My MIL is one of these folks, and I have a Zoom call family get together with my in-laws coming up in a few weeks, so I guess we'll see what happens there.

But this social anxiety and resentment of being put in the situation is totally mine. It's one I have to get through because I believe growth comes from discomfort in a lot of ways.
 
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